Engine kit progress

guzz46

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Thanks.
Sorry I was thinking chain driven sprockets would have the tooth look of rear drive sprockets like many do and was wishfully thinking we all had full gear-driven DOHC's like some legendary exotic GP machines.
(eg: this 3 cylinder 500cc MV Agusta....and the late 1950's 500cc DOHC Moto-Guzzi V-8 that is behind it with the full dust bin fairing https://youtu.be/5cQR7Aq4tzY )

And the RVF400.
 

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Degree for the cam gears

Nice sir! Looking forward to picking up your cams at the very least, if not more of the kit.

Question, are you building replacement camshaft gears as well, to allow one to hand degree the cams, or will these retain the stock gears with the stock keyway that locks in the timing... if this is still in development, and you don't wanna comment yet, I completely understand. :)
 

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Nice sir! Looking forward to picking up your cams at the very least, if not more of the kit.

Question, are you building replacement camshaft gears as well, to allow one to hand degree the cams, or will these retain the stock gears with the stock keyway that locks in the timing... if this is still in development, and you don't wanna comment yet, I completely understand. :)

They will retain the stock gears. The way they are indexed/designed I couldn't find anyone in a timely/cost effective manor to build a limited production set of gears. The cam timing has been built into the new grind the centerline has been offset. CL's have been set off of P to V. I'm not sure I would use the cams with stock piston/compression ratio. It will lower dynamic compression too much IMO.
 

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New pistons arrived today! Other goody did too. New mock up gaskets shipped today. Getting closer:D Hope to have on dyno week after next, fingers crossed.
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Single compression ring eh?

Is the forged unit lighter than stock as well?

Yes single ringer. I use them in everything with no oil consumption issues. The new forged piston is the same weight as oem to keep rotating assembly balanced, since it's a drop in kit. Coated skirts, lateral gas ports, milled under crown...
 

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Running thinner gaskets with stock parts is fine and will bump compression some. You won't get killer gains from it....legal?!? What's that? It's not cheating until you get caught. You all not know how to sand bag or what :). Just cause you have it doesn't mean you have to use it all lol.
 

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Running thinner gaskets with stock parts is fine and will bump compression some. You won't get killer gains from it....legal?!? What's that? It's not cheating until you get caught. You all not know how to sand bag or what :). Just cause you have it doesn't mean you have to use it all lol.

I believe it to be legal but I need to double check. My 600 was originally an AMA SS bike and has thinner gaskets and I just assumed AMA SS == AFM production.

I think to protest in my club costs ~$250, Not unheard of but at my level I'd be torn between being honored that I was doing well enough that I was protested and pissed off.

Still thinking about your kit and running Singles and 250 Superbike where I actually might be more competitive.


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You know what time it is! Got gaskets today, assembly in process. Will have thinner gaskets and manual tensioners available soon for you that want them/can't use my piston and cam kit. Please PM me if you are in need of gaskets or tensioner, so I can get a feel for demand.
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So what will be the benefit of new cams/pistons for those of us looking for performance gains but don't understand all the very technical aspects of achieving it? I understand getting large performance gains in these types of small cc engines is hard to do and most upgrades give minimal gains, but would be great to get some decent gains when putting EVERTHING together, ie dna filter.. exhaust.. power commander(I just ordered mine, aswell as the auto-tune extra) and then perhaps the cam and pistons on top of that.

Is the pistons/cam more for on the track or will it be good for both?

I'd be interested in possible buying the cams/pistons depending on what they do and how much they cost. This is very interesting keep us updated!

I would love to be able to bump my HP power from 43 up to close to 50, as I was originally planning on getting a 500cc ninja, and they are 49.9hp(their words).
 

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DYNO DATA is in! First graph is box stock vs my engine kit, akra, k&n, lid mod, pcv tuned on pump fuel. Second is stock vs kit tuned on mr12. Third graph is stock engine pcv tuned with filter, lid mod, pipe vs my engine kit tuned on pump fuel. Kits will be available as soon as I get cams! Price TBD.

Kit consists of piston, cams, head and base gasket, mech timing chain tensioner, PCV, NGK plug, K&N if needed, lid mod instructions. Core charge on cams until returned. PCV will be loaded with choice of fuel map(s).

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Any potential gain with flowed head/port work?

I lightly cleaned ports, little material removal as possible. "I" don't think it needs any... Didn't mill head any or do a proper valve job like Id normally do. Pretty much straight drop in and tune!
 
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